Where do we go from here? Give us your perspective about where we are as a class?
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I'm enjoying the class. I just don't like when people are talking and people can't listen to their ideas. I just hope it gets better. I really don't like it when people can't partipate in the activites that we do.
I agree with zucchini. We're obviously having a lot of issues that came out when Mr. H wasn't there to supervise us. These issues are a HUGE problem in our class's progress and are really going to keep us from moving forward. We should openly discuss our issues so we can fix them and hopefully get everyone on the same page. That way, we all can have fun.
Our class is going nowhere schedule-wise, HOWEVER I feel like our class is getting closer. Yeah, there are trust/communication issues that we really need to deal with if we want to do the dangerous stuff like rock climbing, but I feel like ALMOST everyone is starting to break out of their clicks (including me) and socializing with people they would not normally socialize with. I'm saying we are STARTING to. It actually hasn't happened yet, but I am starting to see a lot of breaks from groups.
It's frustrating at times to see our class go nowhere and not come even close to our goals, but I feel like we're starting something better than just finishing a to-do list, which is actually having fun with different people.
On another note, we still need people to cooperate. It's really hard, (and I especially know it's hard) because at times we just forget we're trying to get something done when we're joking around with our friends. However, if everyone just stops BITCHING as Mr. H says, for just 10 minutes, we can accomplish a lot.
I think our class really needs to mingle. The communication problems stem from us not being patient, and waiting to say what we want to say once everyone is done talking. We sound like a Kindergarten class when we try to discuss our ideas. We need to create a different system of communication. The other reason our communication isn't working is because we are paying attention to our friends, not to whoever is speaking. There are certain people who immediately come to my mind, who are just stubborn and refuse to stop acting like they're the shit, and socialize with other people not like themselves. Of course there are people who contradict their first impressions and have broken out of their comfort zones, too, which I really really really really respect. I'm not saying I am any better, because I'm guilty of sticking to my same group of friends, too.
Finally, I just want to see everyone act their age. I see plenty of maturity in our class, but there is that same-ass handful of people in our class who don't know what the hell is going on, ever.
A few people in our class need to GROW THE FUCK UP. Honestly, it just confuses me on why people don't understand respect. I get it- it's a gym class. You hate school. I hate school. Everyone hates school. But if your excuse for being an asswipe during gym is because it's a gym class- that's where you're lying. Because you don't just act this way in gym. You act the way you do every minute of your life. Don't blame your attitude shit on the class, and don't blame shit on Mr. H. He's the chillest guy ever!
Anyways, the class is 50 damn minutes of everyone's time that you're eating up for yourself when you want to break everything the class itself is trying to build up. If you have something funny to say, please say it. Everyone loves to laugh. But when you say something just to be an asshole, or to look like someone you're not, that's the point when you shut your mouth.
Anyways, this has been pretty much backed up in my system for the past 9 weeks, and: I'm awesome.
We're nowhere near where we should be. I think we should be getting close to being a team and doing activities as a class and not as as an individual. There are people who just don't care and we've talked about it a million times and we still have people rolling their eyes and saying "yeah, right, whatever, okay....". To tell you the truth this is one of my most frustrating classes. We're never going to get to the more exciting stuff. Sorry, forget that, SOME of us will be ready and some of us will still be blowing it off. All I know is that as a class, something's not right and we've already tried all the ways I know to fix it. I'm not sure if we will EVER be able to work together as a class.
--Written by Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Basically our class has some pretty good ideas when we are doing an activity. We need to work on executing the plans better and everyone needs to work together to accomplish our goal. =]
I pretty much agree with yale. I was talking to a few people from another gym period that had to do the exact same activity as us and they said that they easily got it done in 20 minutes with the whole class participating so I explained I told her who was in the class and how our class i clicky and she said she had the same kind of people but they somehow got it together and got this activity done while having fun. I mean ok if you have a problem with the way that we are doing the activity i respect that but why dont you just speak up in the class and tell people that your not comfortable doing it that and especially before we get 75% of the class over the rope? I mean if we all grew up a little, communicated, and respected each other class would be so much more fun. Mr.H is right if your not willing to participate in this class and you dont want to be in there then get out because all your doing is ruining for the rest of us! Mr.H is such a happy fun cool guy and if what he said on friday didnt make you want to chang your view/ways in the class then i dont know what will. --sugar mamma
I agree with what everyone has been saying so far. For the most part, our class is very good at working together. It's just those few people who feel that they don't need to participate. It really made me frustrated Friday when those people were just off in the corner but when Mr. H came back they joined in. Seriously, if you don't want to participate just get into another gym class. It's not fair for those of us who actually want to get somewhere as a class. I just think if we have 100% participation, our class will be where it needs to be.
To those of you who just blew off the class on friday and didnt participate... don't expect me to trust you on the wall. some of us need some serious attitude adjustments. i can't believe how many people are disrespecting mr. H and their classmates. i nearly cried at the end of the period because i was so frustrated. don't get me wrong. i will trust you if you can pull yourself together and start working. i hope that within the next month we can get past this shame and start doing the real deal.
usually i would say how lame and how pointless this class is, and most time it is, but i think the sooner everyone just stops being so self involved and selfinduced by what they wantm then the sooner that class will be better
i will be the first one to admit that i am deffently one of those people, thats just how i am, my whole life it's been me, my fmaily, and my friends through thick and thin so it's kinda like i just do it with that mindset i do my own thing everyone else does their thing
so, thats deffently not the case anymore, so it's kinda weird to be forced into this position that we have to care and we have to look out for eachother, cuz for me i have never been forced into caring it's always been that i want to care, and i'm not saying i don't care about you guys it's just how it is
so all and all i think we just need to chill out, play some not as lame games and work on not being a single unit like H says but rather a TEAM, cuz thats what we are a team there's no i in team but theres an i in unit Get It Got It .... Good !
This class is seriously getting nowhere. We are repeatedly making the same mistakes that we talk about all the time.
We always talk about how we have to listen to each other more when we're talking. However, this seems to be the same issue EVERY time we talk to each other. We are obviously not learning from this.
The lack of maturity in this class astounds me sometimes. As old as we are, you would think that we would have learned from our mistakes. Obviously, this just isn't happening! In addition to the lack of maturity, the lack of respect in this class is ridiculous. The talking, yes, that's disrespectful. Your non-participant attitudes, yes, that's disrespectful.
To bring up participation, it is constantly the same people that come up with the plans, the same people that carry through and put their heart into this class. In addition to this, it's always the same people that continue to sit off to the side and do NOTHING to further our progress. This is not HELPING this class ANY when you do this.
Why do you think we do these team building activities? To become a stronger group! That's the whole point. And just SO MANY of you don't WANT to be a part of this group. Seriously, if you don't WANT to be part of this, then GET OUT. The people that actually care don't need your attitudes or all of the crap that you make us all deal with on a constant basis.
Honestly, if everyone broke away from their stupid cliques and actually made an effort to do SOMETHING in this class, we might actually BE SUCCESSFUL in something that we do. It's really not that hard to break away and actually DEVOTE yourself to these people for like 40 minutes of your life. It's so damn selfish to continue in the way we are. We all know you don't want to be part of this, but are you really that damn self centered that you can't unfocus yourself from your group long enough to care about another human being?
Like the activity on Friday, I know we can do this. However, we never seem do finish anything. The SAME people continued to sit to the side and do nothing to participate or further the progress of the class. They continue to do this until about 75% of the class is over the rope, and THEN they say "I don't think this method is really safe..." Seriously, do NOT wait until the last five minutes of class to make some sort of input. If you really felt that uncomfortable with our method, then WHY didn't you say something earlier? WHY didn't you make a suggestion as to what else we could do? We CANNOT fix anything unless you TELL US. Please do not expect us to just pick up the idea that you don't like what we're doing. We're not psychic. We're humans.
COMMUNICATION. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
I want to trust this class. I want to have fun in this class. But damnit, if it doesn't start shaping up, I don't know if I CAN trust everyone here, as much as I want to.
Honestly, a great majority of you need to GROW UP. This class will NOT improve unless we fix this.
I really think we are not getting where we need to be. Everytime I come to this class the same people just go off talking to their friends and not caring about the activities we do. And Mr. H is right if you dont want to be apart of this then get out and go into another gym class. But we need to start working as a team if we want to start climbing. I still have issues about this class and I hope we can fix them really soon. I want to have fun in this class but I don't think I can if we don't fix these problems.
I think that as a class we weren't ready for an activity like this. We are still getting to know one another and learn each other's strengths and weaknesses. The last activity we did (jump-rope box) was not even one we were able to succeed at. I think we needed to finish that one before thinking of moving on. This activity on Friday required us to trust people we don't really know, feel comfortable with people who we don't really know lifting us, and it required us to work as a group--something we haven't quite gotten the hang of yet. This activity is more appropriate for later in the year.
I think from here, our class needs to forget about this activity, take a few steps back, and start with an easier task...because we really do succeed when we work together.
I think our class has become closer, but we have formed two groups, the active participants, and the others who just hang in the background. If this class is going to work we need to function as a whole and stop getting distracted and being distracting. I think before that though we need to work on listening to others, but I feel we are improving on that front and it will probably be a constant struggle no matter what.
This class is an interesting one. I think instead of talking about the 1/4 of our class so negatively...it might be wise that we actually listen to some of them. I was sitting near some and they did say they didn't think the activity was safe--just not loud enough. Heck i said the activity wasn't safe. Me and someone else were yelling at you guys to stop throwing people...but no one cared. I think one thing we really need to work on is being able to adjust midway...as it seems like when there's a plan...we have to go with it either 100% or nothing. We need to learn as a whole that we can get through 75% and we need to learn that we can adjust our plan accordingly instead of getting angry if people don't follow it. No one's going to agree. That's a reason I thought Thursday was so valuable...as we had multiple plans..and people could go with what they felt comfortable with rather than anything else. I think instead of blaming the 25 % of the class...we need to all take responsibility and can't keep on blaming them. I mean if you really think about it..you could say we've still formed cliques. What's so different? They have 10 people...we have 20. Either way we don't associate. How is them not talking to us any different from us not going out and trying to communicate with them? I'm almost positive that at least most of the class wants this class to work...we just haven't meshed well together yet...but it is coming. We have definitely improved from the last weeks. I must say though this class has tested my patience in more ways than I could ever imagine...to be honest at the end of class Friday I was ready to go and drop. I just couldn't be in a class where there were two groups that just had so much indifference towards each other. I know we all can do it, but both groups need to break away. Try to talk with the others as nothing is going to happen otherwise. We can't get rid of cliques...as obviously there will always be people we are more comfortable with then others, but I think when we start truly listening to each other...all of us, even me, start listening to each other...we will be better as a collective body
As of right now, I think our class has moved up a little bit from the beginning of the year. Like people said, people are starting to break apart from their groups and mingle with other people. We have learned to trust each other a bit from the activities we did with the blindfolds. So that's good...
On another note, I think when it comes to us as a class having to accomplish something, we have a hard time doing that. Some people are so involved and giving out ideas while some people sit in the corner just talking. Those people who sit out need to pay attention and make sure they know what is going on. If they don't like what the group is planning, then they should speak up and say it. They shouldn't wait till the end to speak up. Also, I am so glad that yale said the part about how people need to grow up. Some people need to stop giving attitude to other people and Mr. H. Just because you think something is stupid or you don't want to do it, doesn't mean everyone thinks the same. Cooperate and participate even though you may not like it. Everything we do in this class isn't going to please everyone.
I think we actually still have a while to go till we can get something accomplished on our own. We need to work on listening to one another and respecting them while they are talking. We also need to work on team work and participating even when we don't want to do something.
hi. it's cori. i think it's really interesting what people are writing, especially after the horrific, disastrously emotional class we had on friday. i was so so so so frustrated at the end of class. i agree with everything everyone has said, especially yale, clandestine and kurt. i think what i can do in this class personally has a lot to do with listening to everyone else. i tend to get caught up in my ideas, what i think is best, and the people that i already trust. All things that this class is not about. I am going to try to give my ideas and to consider everyone else's so that we can come up with a solution that we all think is best.
1. Everyone seems to be blaming everyone but themselves...
2. There are a lot of "should"s and "need"s and "hope"s in your sentences (in terms of getting better)--if achievement is your primary goal, why not change these to more action oriented words, such as "will" or "expect". I'm not familiar with anyone who has succeeded at anything by merely "hoping" and waiting for someone else to act--if you truly want something to happen, you take it on your own shoulders and make it happen--if you do not, it only seems natural that you will fail. Now, I can just hear the fury--"but I am acting--it's that person who's not!!!!"--if they are not acting then it is your failure to not give them incentive to act. Human beings do not all have the same drives--find what drives each member/faction in a team and you might be surprised at what you yield...
I think the question is: Do you really want to succeed? Or are you more interested in just reading and writing all of these complaints on this board?
If you want to succeed, then make it happen--if talking is what will achieve harmony, talk--if listening is what will allow you to achieve what you wish--listen--if others are not following your model, reason with them and ask them what their aims are (directed frustration like that which is on this board only hardens the tortoise's shell)--and play off of these aims in bringing about the cooperation that is necessary to complete tasks and to make everyone feel at home in the team as opposed to having frustration shot at them.
So, I guess in sum, if you are so worried about getting things done, do them. Bickering yields nothing but division and talking achieves nothing unless you are willing to actually talk with people as opposed to presenting "talking points" as this board seems to be built for.
It kind of makes me mad when certain people really don't participate. Like Mr. H said, if you guys don't care about the class or any of us, just get out of our class. Becuase I think we're going to have a much better class if you guys just find a way out of this. I mean stop holding up the class. If people just keep on not cooperating, I'm pretty sure there will be fights and dramas. I saw my friend yell at a group of guys that just sat there. To be honest, I hated that. I respect my friend for what she did but I hate people fighting.
Well, otherwise I can see our class getting closer.
I think we need to take one day to just talk about the class as a whole, just sit in a circle and talk. I am a Boy Scout and so I took a class once called National Youth Leadership Training (NYLT). One of the things we learned about was the four fazes of building a team. They are: Forming, Storming, Norming, and Performing.
First your group gets to know each others names and a few details, Forming. Next, some don't get along and get into arguments, storming. Next, the group starts to work well together, Norming. And finally, the group does very well together, Perfoming.
Right now we are in the storming phase, people aren't getting along as well as they could and it's effecting the groups progress.
Another thing that I learned from NYLT was that in a good leader knows when to follow. A good leader is a good listener. A good leader respects everyone and takes initiative when there is a problem.
Soon, we will start to work together better, but some people to need to grow up. Just face it, the rest of the class DOES NOT CARE that you don't like what we're doing. If you are not going to do what the group is doing, DROP.
i think that everyone talking about how they feel is making our class better. it's cool how on the blog you can express your feelings and say anything you want but our class is never going to change if you dont come forward and talk to everyone face to face. since i was the one who didnt feel comfortable getting thrown over the rope i did not want to participate in this activity. people said that we should have said we didnt feel comfortable with this method in the beginning but the only reason i didnt was because i know everyone would want to at least try it. I think all we need to do is just communicate better
I agree with everybody pretty much. I feel that we are much better off then when we first started, but there are a handful of people that just won't grow up and deal with other people other then thier friends. All im saying is that if this is how thier going to act now, not much will change in thier future. Only by working together as a whole can our class move on from these "stupid" activities, and actually do something that is fun and diffrernet.
the class seems to be getting better, but we still have a lot of stuff holding us back. one thing that i noticed is communication. this is the most important thing that we, as a class, need to improve on. weither you thought that the activity was un-safe, or weithern you just don't care. it shouldn't be this big of a hassle.
people need to grow up. later in life if you don't speak up for something you think is "unsafe", but you go along with it anyway until the last possible moment, you get strewed out of your job, you lose respect, and you look like a lazy whiner that can never get anything done.
please, please, i just want people to dedicate at least 50 minutes of their time to this class. it really isn't that hard and it shouldn't be. you're either in or you're out, and if you're out, that's fine, sometimes people need to leave if that can't continue.
i joined this class because it was supposed to be fun, i never thought that people would react in such a way. i just want people to get along, fighting sucks, it really does. it only causes people to point fingers and yell. i hate it, hate it, hate it.
I think that we are doing fine as a class right now, it just takes a little time for everything to settle in and get this class working together as a team.
over all i think that the class is going well, but i do think that there are some respect issues and some trust issues! along with the talking while other people are talking! i do have to say that some of the people are seriously needing to grow up and just deel with life! so ohter than that i am going to have to agree with all that has been said already! this class could be a great class if we would get all the ddam drama out of it! this should be a good rest o the year!
i know its a little late but i need to get this out. Poeple need to stop talking while other people talking. It never stops. The class is rght we all need to grow up and be responsible. This class is helping us prepare for the outside world after high school. We all won't be in the groups that we are in now and thats what the class is trying to teach us. But people are too blind and can't see that, but i see it.
The world is forever changing and nothing ever seems to stay constant, except our ideas. Sure they're somewhat different but something about them always stays the same like the people who make the ideas, the people who sit out, and lets keep trying the same idea until we get it right...one thing did change last time someone spoke up about it being unsafe and feeling uncomfortable about the activity, I understand all of the frustration that came with that like them speaking up at the last minute I'll admit it annoyed me too. Until I realized that one person was talking to a big group and going against our own thought process. Idk about you guys but to me that speaks real courage, I'm one of those people that's able to speak their own mind but has trouble confronting a huge group with my concerns. So I would probably end up telling you guys later than sooner, but in my opinion I'm proud that she came forth even though it was a little late.
I think we are getting a lot better when it comes to working together, most of the time. Although there is some tension between me and other classmates, I'm willing to admit to that. I do not feel that absolutely everyone is blind to the fact that everyone talks over one another. There are people who most definitely see it, they just don't do anything about it. Or they feel whatever they say won't matter.
I have been teaching since 1995. I started teaching at Winston Campus Junior High in Palatine. In 2001 I began teaching at Fremd. I am an assistant golf and wrestling coach. I have also coached boys gymnastics and I was a sponsor for Powder Puff Football and Outdoor Adventure Club. I am the 4th child of 5, 3 older sisters and 1 younger brother. I am married and I have two great boys 2 1/2 year old and a 5 week old. Chase and Brody. I love it when I come home and chase yells out "DADDY" and has a big smile on his face and is coming to hug me.
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I'm enjoying the class. I just don't like when people are talking and people can't listen to their ideas. I just hope it gets better. I really don't like it when people can't partipate in the activites that we do.
i think we need to talk on monday about everything thats going on because we need to fix it.
I agree with zucchini. We're obviously having a lot of issues that came out when Mr. H wasn't there to supervise us. These issues are a HUGE problem in our class's progress and are really going to keep us from moving forward. We should openly discuss our issues so we can fix them and hopefully get everyone on the same page. That way, we all can have fun.
Our class is going nowhere schedule-wise, HOWEVER I feel like our class is getting closer. Yeah, there are trust/communication issues that we really need to deal with if we want to do the dangerous stuff like rock climbing, but I feel like ALMOST everyone is starting to break out of their clicks (including me) and socializing with people they would not normally socialize with. I'm saying we are STARTING to. It actually hasn't happened yet, but I am starting to see a lot of breaks from groups.
It's frustrating at times to see our class go nowhere and not come even close to our goals, but I feel like we're starting something better than just finishing a to-do list, which is actually having fun with different people.
On another note, we still need people to cooperate. It's really hard, (and I especially know it's hard) because at times we just forget we're trying to get something done when we're joking around with our friends. However, if everyone just stops BITCHING as Mr. H says, for just 10 minutes, we can accomplish a lot.
I think our class really needs to mingle. The communication problems stem from us not being patient, and waiting to say what we want to say once everyone is done talking. We sound like a Kindergarten class when we try to discuss our ideas. We need to create a different system of communication. The other reason our communication isn't working is because we are paying attention to our friends, not to whoever is speaking. There are certain people who immediately come to my mind, who are just stubborn and refuse to stop acting like they're the shit, and socialize with other people not like themselves. Of course there are people who contradict their first impressions and have broken out of their comfort zones, too, which I really really really really respect. I'm not saying I am any better, because I'm guilty of sticking to my same group of friends, too.
Finally, I just want to see everyone act their age. I see plenty of maturity in our class, but there is that same-ass handful of people in our class who don't know what the hell is going on, ever.
A few people in our class need to GROW THE FUCK UP. Honestly, it just confuses me on why people don't understand respect. I get it- it's a gym class. You hate school. I hate school. Everyone hates school. But if your excuse for being an asswipe during gym is because it's a gym class- that's where you're lying. Because you don't just act this way in gym. You act the way you do every minute of your life. Don't blame your attitude shit on the class, and don't blame shit on Mr. H. He's the chillest guy ever!
Anyways, the class is 50 damn minutes of everyone's time that you're eating up for yourself when you want to break everything the class itself is trying to build up. If you have something funny to say, please say it. Everyone loves to laugh. But when you say something just to be an asshole, or to look like someone you're not, that's the point when you shut your mouth.
Anyways, this has been pretty much backed up in my system for the past 9 weeks, and: I'm awesome.
We're nowhere near where we should be. I think we should be getting close to being a team and doing activities as a class and not as as an individual. There are people who just don't care and we've talked about it a million times and we still have people rolling their eyes and saying "yeah, right, whatever, okay....". To tell you the truth this is one of my most frustrating classes. We're never going to get to the more exciting stuff. Sorry, forget that, SOME of us will be ready and some of us will still be blowing it off. All I know is that as a class, something's not right and we've already tried all the ways I know to fix it. I'm not sure if we will EVER be able to work together as a class.
--Written by Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Basically our class has some pretty good ideas when we are doing an activity. We need to work on executing the plans better and everyone needs to work together to accomplish our goal. =]
~ToNy-ThE-TiGeR~
I pretty much agree with yale. I was talking to a few people from another gym period that had to do the exact same activity as us and they said that they easily got it done in 20 minutes with the whole class participating so I explained I told her who was in the class and how our class i clicky and she said she had the same kind of people but they somehow got it together and got this activity done while having fun. I mean ok if you have a problem with the way that we are doing the activity i respect that but why dont you just speak up in the class and tell people that your not comfortable doing it that and especially before we get 75% of the class over the rope? I mean if we all grew up a little, communicated, and respected each other class would be so much more fun. Mr.H is right if your not willing to participate in this class and you dont want to be in there then get out because all your doing is ruining for the rest of us! Mr.H is such a happy fun cool guy and if what he said on friday didnt make you want to chang your view/ways in the class then i dont know what will.
--sugar mamma
I agree with what everyone has been saying so far. For the most part, our class is very good at working together. It's just those few people who feel that they don't need to participate. It really made me frustrated Friday when those people were just off in the corner but when Mr. H came back they joined in. Seriously, if you don't want to participate just get into another gym class. It's not fair for those of us who actually want to get somewhere as a class. I just think if we have 100% participation, our class will be where it needs to be.
To those of you who just blew off the class on friday and didnt participate... don't expect me to trust you on the wall. some of us need some serious attitude adjustments. i can't believe how many people are disrespecting mr. H and their classmates. i nearly cried at the end of the period because i was so frustrated. don't get me wrong. i will trust you if you can pull yourself together and start working. i hope that within the next month we can get past this shame and start doing the real deal.
usually i would say how lame and how pointless this class is, and most time it is, but i think the sooner everyone just stops being so self involved and selfinduced by what they wantm then the sooner that class will be better
i will be the first one to admit that i am deffently one of those people, thats just how i am, my whole life it's been me, my fmaily, and my friends through thick and thin so it's kinda like i just do it with that mindset i do my own thing everyone else does their thing
so, thats deffently not the case anymore, so it's kinda weird to be forced into this position that we have to care and we have to look out for eachother, cuz for me i have never been forced into caring it's always been that i want to care, and i'm not saying i don't care about you guys it's just how it is
so all and all
i think we just need to chill out, play some not as lame games and work on not being a single unit like H says but rather a TEAM, cuz thats what we are a team
there's no i in team
but theres an i in unit
Get It Got It .... Good !
~Karsmatic Kurt
~Kurt English
This class is seriously getting nowhere. We are repeatedly making the same mistakes that we talk about all the time.
We always talk about how we have to listen to each other more when we're talking. However, this seems to be the same issue EVERY time we talk to each other. We are obviously not learning from this.
The lack of maturity in this class astounds me sometimes. As old as we are, you would think that we would have learned from our mistakes. Obviously, this just isn't happening!
In addition to the lack of maturity, the lack of respect in this class is ridiculous. The talking, yes, that's disrespectful. Your non-participant attitudes, yes, that's disrespectful.
To bring up participation, it is constantly the same people that come up with the plans, the same people that carry through and put their heart into this class.
In addition to this, it's always the same people that continue to sit off to the side and do NOTHING to further our progress. This is not HELPING this class ANY when you do this.
Why do you think we do these team building activities? To become a stronger group! That's the whole point.
And just SO MANY of you don't WANT to be a part of this group.
Seriously, if you don't WANT to be part of this, then GET OUT. The people that actually care don't need your attitudes or all of the crap that you make us all deal with on a constant basis.
Honestly, if everyone broke away from their stupid cliques and actually made an effort to do SOMETHING in this class, we might actually BE SUCCESSFUL in something that we do.
It's really not that hard to break away and actually DEVOTE yourself to these people for like 40 minutes of your life. It's so damn selfish to continue in the way we are. We all know you don't want to be part of this, but are you really that damn self centered that you can't unfocus yourself from your group long enough to care about another human being?
Like the activity on Friday, I know we can do this. However, we never seem do finish anything.
The SAME people continued to sit to the side and do nothing to participate or further the progress of the class. They continue to do this until about 75% of the class is over the rope, and THEN they say "I don't think this method is really safe..."
Seriously, do NOT wait until the last five minutes of class to make some sort of input.
If you really felt that uncomfortable with our method, then WHY didn't you say something earlier? WHY didn't you make a suggestion as to what else we could do?
We CANNOT fix anything unless you TELL US. Please do not expect us to just pick up the idea that you don't like what we're doing. We're not psychic. We're humans.
COMMUNICATION.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
I want to trust this class. I want to have fun in this class. But damnit, if it doesn't start shaping up, I don't know if I CAN trust everyone here, as much as I want to.
Honestly, a great majority of you need to GROW UP.
This class will NOT improve unless we fix this.
I really think we are not getting where we need to be. Everytime I come to this class the same people just go off talking to their friends and not caring about the activities we do. And Mr. H is right if you dont want to be apart of this then get out and go into another gym class. But we need to start working as a team if we want to start climbing. I still have issues about this class and I hope we can fix them really soon. I want to have fun in this class but I don't think I can if we don't fix these problems.
I think that as a class we weren't ready for an activity like this. We are still getting to know one another and learn each other's strengths and weaknesses. The last activity we did (jump-rope box) was not even one we were able to succeed at. I think we needed to finish that one before thinking of moving on. This activity on Friday required us to trust people we don't really know, feel comfortable with people who we don't really know lifting us, and it required us to work as a group--something we haven't quite gotten the hang of yet. This activity is more appropriate for later in the year.
I think from here, our class needs to forget about this activity, take a few steps back, and start with an easier task...because we really do succeed when we work together.
I think our class is doing better working together for the most part. Everyone just needs to start listening to everyone's ideas.
~Mango
I think our class has become closer, but we have formed two groups, the active participants, and the others who just hang in the background. If this class is going to work we need to function as a whole and stop getting distracted and being distracting. I think before that though we need to work on listening to others, but I feel we are improving on that front and it will probably be a constant struggle no matter what.
FIERCE
This class is an interesting one. I think instead of talking about the 1/4 of our class so negatively...it might be wise that we actually listen to some of them. I was sitting near some and they did say they didn't think the activity was safe--just not loud enough. Heck i said the activity wasn't safe. Me and someone else were yelling at you guys to stop throwing people...but no one cared. I think one thing we really need to work on is being able to adjust midway...as it seems like when there's a plan...we have to go with it either 100% or nothing. We need to learn as a whole that we can get through 75% and we need to learn that we can adjust our plan accordingly instead of getting angry if people don't follow it. No one's going to agree. That's a reason I thought Thursday was so valuable...as we had multiple plans..and people could go with what they felt comfortable with rather than anything else. I think instead of blaming the 25 % of the class...we need to all take responsibility and can't keep on blaming them. I mean if you really think about it..you could say we've still formed cliques. What's so different? They have 10 people...we have 20. Either way we don't associate. How is them not talking to us any different from us not going out and trying to communicate with them? I'm almost positive that at least most of the class wants this class to work...we just haven't meshed well together yet...but it is coming. We have definitely improved from the last weeks. I must say though this class has tested my patience in more ways than I could ever imagine...to be honest at the end of class Friday I was ready to go and drop. I just couldn't be in a class where there were two groups that just had so much indifference towards each other. I know we all can do it, but both groups need to break away. Try to talk with the others as nothing is going to happen otherwise. We can't get rid of cliques...as obviously there will always be people we are more comfortable with then others, but I think when we start truly listening to each other...all of us, even me, start listening to each other...we will be better as a collective body
As of right now, I think our class has moved up a little bit from the beginning of the year. Like people said, people are starting to break apart from their groups and mingle with other people. We have learned to trust each other a bit from the activities we did with the blindfolds. So that's good...
On another note, I think when it comes to us as a class having to accomplish something, we have a hard time doing that. Some people are so involved and giving out ideas while some people sit in the corner just talking. Those people who sit out need to pay attention and make sure they know what is going on. If they don't like what the group is planning, then they should speak up and say it. They shouldn't wait till the end to speak up. Also, I am so glad that yale said the part about how people need to grow up. Some people need to stop giving attitude to other people and Mr. H. Just because you think something is stupid or you don't want to do it, doesn't mean everyone thinks the same. Cooperate and participate even though you may not like it. Everything we do in this class isn't going to please everyone.
I think we actually still have a while to go till we can get something accomplished on our own. We need to work on listening to one another and respecting them while they are talking. We also need to work on team work and participating even when we don't want to do something.
hi.
it's cori.
i think it's really interesting what people are writing, especially after the horrific, disastrously emotional class we had on friday. i was so so so so frustrated at the end of class.
i agree with everything everyone has said, especially yale, clandestine and kurt.
i think what i can do in this class personally has a lot to do with listening to everyone else. i tend to get caught up in my ideas, what i think is best, and the people that i already trust. All things that this class is not about. I am going to try to give my ideas and to consider everyone else's so that we can come up with a solution that we all think is best.
Two Observations:
1. Everyone seems to be blaming everyone but themselves...
2. There are a lot of "should"s and "need"s and "hope"s in your sentences (in terms of getting better)--if achievement is your primary goal, why not change these to more action oriented words, such as "will" or "expect". I'm not familiar with anyone who has succeeded at anything by merely "hoping" and waiting for someone else to act--if you truly want something to happen, you take it on your own shoulders and make it happen--if you do not, it only seems natural that you will fail. Now, I can just hear the fury--"but I am acting--it's that person who's not!!!!"--if they are not acting then it is your failure to not give them incentive to act. Human beings do not all have the same drives--find what drives each member/faction in a team and you might be surprised at what you yield...
I think the question is: Do you really want to succeed? Or are you more interested in just reading and writing all of these complaints on this board?
If you want to succeed, then make it happen--if talking is what will achieve harmony, talk--if listening is what will allow you to achieve what you wish--listen--if others are not following your model, reason with them and ask them what their aims are (directed frustration like that which is on this board only hardens the tortoise's shell)--and play off of these aims in bringing about the cooperation that is necessary to complete tasks and to make everyone feel at home in the team as opposed to having frustration shot at them.
So, I guess in sum, if you are so worried about getting things done, do them. Bickering yields nothing but division and talking achieves nothing unless you are willing to actually talk with people as opposed to presenting "talking points" as this board seems to be built for.
It kind of makes me mad when certain people really don't participate. Like Mr. H said, if you guys don't care about the class or any of us, just get out of our class. Becuase I think we're going to have a much better class if you guys just find a way out of this. I mean stop holding up the class. If people just keep on not cooperating, I'm pretty sure there will be fights and dramas. I saw my friend yell at a group of guys that just sat there. To be honest, I hated that. I respect my friend for what she did but I hate people fighting.
Well, otherwise I can see our class getting closer.
I think we need to take one day to just talk about the class as a whole, just sit in a circle and talk. I am a Boy Scout and so I took a class once called National Youth Leadership Training (NYLT). One of the things we learned about was the four fazes of building a team. They are: Forming, Storming, Norming, and Performing.
First your group gets to know each others names and a few details, Forming. Next, some don't get along and get into arguments, storming. Next, the group starts to work well together, Norming. And finally, the group does very well together, Perfoming.
Right now we are in the storming phase, people aren't getting along as well as they could and it's effecting the groups progress.
Another thing that I learned from NYLT was that in a good leader knows when to follow. A good leader is a good listener. A good leader respects everyone and takes initiative when there is a problem.
Soon, we will start to work together better, but some people to need to grow up. Just face it, the rest of the class DOES NOT CARE that you don't like what we're doing. If you are not going to do what the group is doing, DROP.
i think that everyone talking about how they feel is making our class better. it's cool how on the blog you can express your feelings and say anything you want but our class is never going to change if you dont come forward and talk to everyone face to face. since i was the one who didnt feel comfortable getting thrown over the rope i did not want to participate in this activity. people said that we should have said we didnt feel comfortable with this method in the beginning but the only reason i didnt was because i know everyone would want to at least try it. I think all we need to do is just communicate better
I agree with everybody pretty much. I feel that we are much better off then when we first started, but there are a handful of people that just won't grow up and deal with other people other then thier friends. All im saying is that if this is how thier going to act now, not much will change in thier future. Only by working together as a whole can our class move on from these "stupid" activities, and actually do something that is fun and diffrernet.
the class seems to be getting better, but we still have a lot of stuff holding us back. one thing that i noticed is communication. this is the most important thing that we, as a class, need to improve on. weither you thought that the activity was un-safe, or weithern you just don't care. it shouldn't be this big of a hassle.
people need to grow up. later in life if you don't speak up for something you think is "unsafe", but you go along with it anyway until the last possible moment, you get strewed out of your job, you lose respect, and you look like a lazy whiner that can never get anything done.
please, please, i just want people to dedicate at least 50 minutes of their time to this class. it really isn't that hard and it shouldn't be. you're either in or you're out, and if you're out, that's fine, sometimes people need to leave if that can't continue.
i joined this class because it was supposed to be fun, i never thought that people would react in such a way. i just want people to get along, fighting sucks, it really does. it only causes people to point fingers and yell. i hate it, hate it, hate it.
I think that we are doing fine as a class right now, it just takes a little time for everything to settle in and get this class working together as a team.
over all i think that the class is going well, but i do think that there are some respect issues and some trust issues! along with the talking while other people are talking! i do have to say that some of the people are seriously needing to grow up and just deel with life! so ohter than that i am going to have to agree with all that has been said already! this class could be a great class if we would get all the ddam drama out of it! this should be a good rest o the year!
i know its a little late but i need to get this out. Poeple need to stop talking while other people talking. It never stops. The class is rght we all need to grow up and be responsible. This class is helping us prepare for the outside world after high school. We all won't be in the groups that we are in now and thats what the class is trying to teach us. But people are too blind and can't see that, but i see it.
i apologized and now im gonna work better so ya i think we going the right direction.
The world is forever changing and nothing ever seems to stay constant, except our ideas. Sure they're somewhat different but something about them always stays the same like the people who make the ideas, the people who sit out, and lets keep trying the same idea until we get it right...one thing did change last time someone spoke up about it being unsafe and feeling uncomfortable about the activity, I understand all of the frustration that came with that like them speaking up at the last minute I'll admit it annoyed me too. Until I realized that one person was talking to a big group and going against our own thought process. Idk about you guys but to me that speaks real courage, I'm one of those people that's able to speak their own mind but has trouble confronting a huge group with my concerns. So I would probably end up telling you guys later than sooner, but in my opinion I'm proud that she came forth even though it was a little late.
I think we are getting a lot better when it comes to working together, most of the time. Although there is some tension between me and other classmates, I'm willing to admit to that.
I do not feel that absolutely everyone is blind to the fact that everyone talks over one another. There are people who most definitely see it, they just don't do anything about it. Or they feel whatever they say won't matter.
written bye Fish XP
It's good everyones paying attention and stuff :)
Our class just needs a good tune up. People just need time to adjust to one another. All in all its just a process that takes time.
Kaptain Krunch
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